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25 July 2007 @ 08:18 am
Just three words, but...  
Because they're beautiful in so many ways:


Or a man.

It's from Sunday.

I love them for John, the notoriously shy about admitting feelings and stuff guy, being supportive of Ronon, even if he would be, you know, gay.

I love them for my very own interpretation of John thinking, "You know, while we're talking about non-weapons and non-sports related things... I've somehow fallen in love with Rodney and would really like to talk about it, because I think it's beginning to drive me crazy."

And I love them for finally acknowledging something other than the heteronormative world we've seen in the Stargate universe so far (unless I really totally forgot something here). And also because I feel that in a way it acknowledges us (as in fans who see gay relationships as a part of their view of the show).
 
 
 
downloadableindifference: sga straightestdownloadable08 on July 25th, 2007 07:22 am (UTC)
That was a really great moment. I think they've acknowledged the slashers a few times before (the wedding scene in SG-1's 200 has a line hinting at Jack/Daniel), but I think this is the first time that homosexuality was dealt with as a serious option, rather than a joke. I hope to see more along these lines in the future!
Velocitygrass: Johnvelocitygrass on July 25th, 2007 07:45 am (UTC)
Oh yes, I remember 200. But as you mentioned it was a joke. Inside of a fantasy. So it was just really gratifying to hear this. Especially from John :)
purelyironic: mckay/sheppard - balcony - arms touchingpurelyironic on July 25th, 2007 07:48 am (UTC)
.. I've somehow fallen in love with Rodney and would really like to talk about it, because I think it's beginning to drive me crazy."

Awwwwww.

That interpretation works for me. *flails*
Velocitygrassvelocitygrass on July 25th, 2007 10:23 am (UTC)
And when I say "talk about it", I of course mean stumbling around.

"No, not a man. Why? You interested in a man?"

"Uh... Nah. Not interested, really. Just..."

"McKay?"

"Uh, well..."

"He always talks about women."

"I know! It's nothing really. So anyone you're interested in?"

"I could talk to him for you. Ask if he's into guys."

"What?! No. Thanks, but... really not necessary. Unless you're curious and just happen to mention it. But no."

And then of course Rodney's reaction to that talk :)

Ah, I shall write it down when I get home.
purelyironic: mckay/sheppard - balcony - arms touchingpurelyironic on July 25th, 2007 01:37 pm (UTC)
Velocitygrassvelocitygrass on July 25th, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)
It's posted :)
neevebrody: Rodney Hand pornneevebrody on August 6th, 2007 05:40 pm (UTC)
When you say write it down, do you mean like you did a little more with this?? This is great, I'd love to read more! I mean Ronan's always trying to please and he's so serious, like sure John, I'll hook you up! Love it!
Velocitygrassvelocitygrass on August 6th, 2007 05:56 pm (UTC)
I've posted it at my journal: http://velocitygrass.livejournal.com/31887.html

:)
Trobadora: this is romancetrobadora on July 25th, 2007 12:43 pm (UTC)
I love that bit so much, and the way JF delivers the line - it's not the slightest bit jokey, and how wonderful is that?
crysothemis: john rodney redcrysothemis on July 25th, 2007 02:13 pm (UTC)
it's not the slightest bit jokey

Yes! Thank you Joe (F) and Martin (G).

Trobadoratrobadora on July 25th, 2007 02:16 pm (UTC)
He makes it sound normal - and how rare is that on TV?
crysothemis: joe dawson heartcrysothemis on July 25th, 2007 02:19 pm (UTC)
I know. And that's such a small thing -- it should be a small thing -- but it means so much.
Trobadoratrobadora on July 25th, 2007 02:26 pm (UTC)
That's why it's so important: because it's played as a small thing. I love this show so, so very much. <3
crysothemis: shep yescrysothemis on July 25th, 2007 02:46 pm (UTC)
Exactly.
Velocitygrassvelocitygrass on July 25th, 2007 08:44 pm (UTC)
It's really wonderful. The way he mentions it, just pointing out the other valid possibility of dating. There's an understated awareness, but it's not a big deal. Ronon doesn't even comment on it. It's there and gone, but for those who care and notice it makes a big impact.

I can't say how much I prefer this to any overt joke on the matter, because this is *real*.
Trobadoratrobadora on July 26th, 2007 08:34 am (UTC)
Exactly! It's a big deal because it's shown not to be a big deal at all. I love it so, so much.
thegrrrl: John - Conversionthegrrrl2002 on July 25th, 2007 01:06 pm (UTC)
That was such a wonderful line, wasn't it? I was so happy that it wasn't treated like a joke.

And I like your reasoning as to John's motivation. *g*
Velocitygrassvelocitygrass on July 25th, 2007 08:57 pm (UTC)
Yes, this was so much better than a joke could have been.

And I like your reasoning as to John's motivation. *g*
I just find it hard to believe that John would bring this up for no real reason. When Ronon clarifies "You mean like a woman", he's asking "you mean romantically". To add "Or a man" doesn't really make sense to me, because if Ronon was dating a man he'd have phrased that differently.

The whole thing just strikes me as something no heterosexual guy would say unless he had a reason to believe the other person is gay. Which leaves me with the impression that John wanted to volunteer that information for other reasons.

Honestly, when I saw that, I was thinking "OMG, we're canon now?!" ;)
eveningblue: SGA Sheppard McKay Uh Oops?eveningblue on July 25th, 2007 10:53 pm (UTC)
This line is so cool, even for a straight guy!
The whole thing just strikes me as something no heterosexual guy would say unless he had a reason to believe the other person is gay.

I love this line too, and I hope you don't mind my disagreeing with you, but how about, "unless the person he's asking is very secretive about his sex life"? Obviously, John doesn't know what's going on in Ronon's life, they are having a special bonding moment here and John wants to talk about more personal stuff than usual, and also to let Ronon know that he cares about him.

I actually thought this moment was cool from a straight person's perspective, because the way John asks this is implying that it would be no big deal, and that it's a possibility that Ronon might be dating a guy! How cool is that? I agree with what other posters have said about the way the line is delivered and how it is made to be normal and no big deal. I love that!

I like your interpretation too! But if John is straight this makes him a very cool straight guy, imho.

I just find it hard to believe that John would bring this up for no real reason.

Except that he's trying to be a modern, non-heterosexist guy? It makes me a little sad that you don't know any straight guys like this. Now, to see one depicted on television is truly groundbreaking, I agree. But in real life? Guys, and people in general, are becoming less homophobic by the minute! (Thank God.)
Velocitygrass: Johnvelocitygrass on July 26th, 2007 06:29 am (UTC)
Re: This line is so cool, even for a straight guy!
Oh, I certainly love the line in its "canon" interpretation of a heterosexual guy being open-minded.

And I agree that assuming that another man could either be in a relationship with a woman or a man (and saying so) is not too surprising. What gets me though in this case is that Ronon has already implied with his question that he dates women. Maybe I'm seeing this too narrowly, but to me the conversation read like this:

"So are you seeing someone at the moment?"

"No, I don't have a girlfriend right now."

"So do you have a boyfriend?"

Do you see what I mean?

Of course Ronon could have just used women because the majority of guys are in romantic relationships with women and he's seen John with women. But even then it seems like an unnecessary and very deliberate display of John's open-mindedness.

In any case I love it :)
melaganmelagan on July 25th, 2007 04:46 pm (UTC)
I am completely adopting your interpretation because it's perfect. :)

Velocitygrassvelocitygrass on July 25th, 2007 08:58 pm (UTC)
Ooh, thank you!

I'm always happy to corrupt others ;)